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Offline AMCKen

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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2009, 04:09:36 PM »
why not go with something really wil;d like a GMC 350 cid  V6 or the 427 V6   of course parts are really hard to find now days.!!!!!!

Finding parts for those motors would be like looking for a snipe...lol

I would imagine they are REALLY heavy also.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2009, 07:28:16 PM »
I used to own 2 different GTO`s 1967 and 1974.....but I hung around a guy ...he had a 67 shelby 428 with a 671 blower....that would be the dream motor for my wagon...LOL
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2009, 01:55:23 PM »
Cummins 4 banger....Why in tarnation we cant get small diesel engines in North American cars is beyond me...if you go to pretty much anywhere else in the world you will find that diesel powered cars are in the the norm not the exception. 

If I was independently wealthy...every one of my daily drivers would be converted to some form of inline diesel....All the torque you could want and great fuel economy as well! 
My immediate supervisor at work has two VW Jettas with diesels. The other day he was complaining his newer VW gets (only!) 38 mpg while his older car got 50+.

It seems the only diesels in US-made iron (aside, of course, from Peterbilt, Kenworth, etc.) are the Dodge/Cummins, GM/Duramax or Ford/Powerstroke. Not all of us want to drive trucks. None of these engines are suitable for cars...they're all high-torque, heavy-weight and heavy-duty engines. My employer maintains a fleet of buses, some of which have the same Cummins found in Dodge pickups.

GM marketed cars with diesels in the 1970s. These engines, however, were re-worked gasoline V-8s that did not work out. I suppose American manufacturers still remember this less-than-successful experience, but that was then and this is now. American automakers, it is past time for a diesel-engined car that the average motorist can own and drive.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2009, 02:48:07 PM »
GM marketed cars with diesels in the 1970s. These engines, however, were re-worked gasoline V-8s that did not work out. I suppose American manufacturers still remember this less-than-successful experience, but that was then and this is now. American automakers, it is past time for a diesel-engined car that the average motorist can own and drive.

The biggest problem with these engines, was that people didn't know anything about them, which lead to a severely shortened life, properly maintained (yes they were a bit underdeveloped, and required more maintenance than their gas counter parts), they actually last quite well (200k and still kicking). A few years back there was a spark of interest on these V8 diesels, lots of info on how to maintain them, bring them back to life (if not destroyed already), and get a bit more out of them both economy and performance. One article comes to mind, an engineer took a jeep xj cherokee, and stuffed one these 350 Oldsmobile diesels into it. So kind of like most things (carter bbd, quadrajet for instance) not bad just misunderstood.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2009, 06:13:10 PM »
In the late 70's up to the mid 80's GM had the Chevy LUV and Isuzu had the PUP. I had a 1984 Isuzu PUP 4X4 with a 2.2 diesel. The best little 4 banger diesel I ever owned. 287k miles on it when I sold it.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2010, 11:00:13 AM »
I don't have an Eagle ( yet ) but am giving serious thought to putting an AMC 360 4Bbl & duals in / on it IF & when ever I get another one. Actually test drove one the other day, but the dealer didn't want to deal. Maybe next time. Getting too old for going wild ( 390 / 401 ), but think a 360 would be about right. Don't think a 304 would be quite big enough. If not sticking with an AMC, a 351 Cleveland or even a Mopar 360. No way in censored would I even consider anything gm or japanese.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2010, 11:33:11 AM »
A warmed up 304 would change your mind real quick.   The 304 in my Jeep has a nice cam, headwork
Long tube primary headers, intake and hei.

Its already shown some Built 6cyl guys up and it sounds flat BADass.


I can run it down to 300rpm on the trail and come back to 3k without a miss.

If I didn't have this built 401 ready to go I wouldn't have any issue finding a nice 304 and souping it up to stuff in it.

They are pretty cheap to find running also.

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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2010, 01:09:33 PM »
A warmed up 304 would change your mind real quick.   The 304 in my Jeep has a nice cam, headwork
Long tube primary headers, intake and hei.

Its already shown some Built 6cyl guys up and it sounds flat BADass.


I can run it down to 300rpm on the trail and come back to 3k without a miss.

If I didn't have this built 401 ready to go I wouldn't have any issue finding a nice 304 and souping it up to stuff in it.

They are pretty cheap to find running also.

Interesting idea, had one in a Gremlin ( X ) once. Bone stock & that little thing would scoot. I still remember one night I took it out & surprised quite a few people. That little thing will never beat anybody. When I left, it was score - Rambler: 3, competition: 0. Three up, three down.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2010, 01:26:31 PM »
My Jeep in stock form was down right scary with such a short wheelbase and being as light as it was if you were in the pipe and tried launching it.

It had 3.92 gears in it with 27" tires and would absolutly haul the mail.  I had guys actually want to see that I didnt have a hot sbc under the hood! LOL! 

My Wife still gets a kick out of the kid that just couldnt belive that his brand new F150 with a triton just got spanked by my little old Jeep.


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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #39 on: January 11, 2010, 02:27:27 PM »
My Jeep in stock form was down right scary with such a short wheelbase and being as light as it was if you were in the pipe and tried launching it.

It had 3.92 gears in it with 27" tires and would absolutly haul the mail.  I had guys actually want to see that I didnt have a hot sbc under the hood! LOL! 

My Wife still gets a kick out of the kid that just couldnt belive that his brand new F150 with a triton just got spanked by my little old Jeep.


Everybody was convinced I only had a 6 banger till I lifted the hood. " Wow! I never knew you could put a V-8 in one of those. How much work was it? " They still didn't want to believe me when I told them it came that way from the factory.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #40 on: January 11, 2010, 02:36:54 PM »

It seems the only diesels in US-made iron (aside, of course, from Peterbilt, Kenworth, etc.) are the Dodge/Cummins, GM/Duramax or Ford/Powerstroke. Not all of us want to drive trucks. None of these engines are suitable for cars...they're all high-torque, heavy-weight and heavy-duty engines. My employer maintains a fleet of buses, some of which have the same Cummins found in Dodge pickups.

GM marketed cars with diesels in the 1970s. These engines, however, were re-worked gasoline V-8s that did not work out. I suppose American manufacturers still remember this less-than-successful experience, but that was then and this is now. American automakers, it is past time for a diesel-engined car that the average motorist can own and drive.

The Ford Powerstroke engines are actually IHC.  : )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power_Stroke_engine

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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #41 on: January 11, 2010, 03:11:32 PM »
An AMC V8

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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2010, 06:03:42 AM »
I don't have an Eagle ( yet ) ...
Everybody was convinced I only had a 6 banger till I lifted the hood. ...

Before you put a V8 in an Eagle, get one first and try it with the carb cleaned out, new vacuum hoses and a "TFI upgrade" to provide/handle the higher voltage coil. Upgrade the ignition module to allow for direct wiring of the coil for even more.


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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2010, 12:36:59 AM »

It seems the only diesels in US-made iron (aside, of course, from Peterbilt, Kenworth, etc.) are the Dodge/Cummins, GM/Duramax or Ford/Powerstroke. Not all of us want to drive trucks. None of these engines are suitable for cars...they're all high-torque, heavy-weight and heavy-duty engines. My employer maintains a fleet of buses, some of which have the same Cummins found in Dodge pickups.

GM marketed cars with diesels in the 1970s. These engines, however, were re-worked gasoline V-8s that did not work out. I suppose American manufacturers still remember this less-than-successful experience, but that was then and this is now. American automakers, it is past time for a diesel-engined car that the average motorist can own and drive.

The Ford Powerstroke engines are actually IHC.  : )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power_Stroke_engine


You are, of course, correct. I should have noted this in my original post.
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Re: If you couldn't have the 258...
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2010, 10:33:48 PM »
I'm still obsessed with the Mercedes 3.0L CRD that's in the Jeep Cherokee, Jeep Liberty, Dodge Sprinter and Mercedes Van.

The older Merc inline 6 would be a choice too the naturally aspirated version that is.

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